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Obama has been lying to us all along. I AM SHOCKED!!! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!

"Obama Lays Plans to Kill Expectations After Election Victory
Confident in an Election Day win, the campaign looks to lower supporters' expectations on concerns their hopes of 'change' are unrealistic, a senior aide says."

Remember when Bill Clinton campaigned on a middle class tax cut? Only to get in office and tell us, " well the economy is worse than we thought, so I won't be able to give you that tax cut".

Obama is pulling a Clinton, and is so arrogant, he is telling us before he's even been elected.

Lying bas**rds!
 

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everyone in the gov't lies. they are sworn into office to lie. it's their job. :)
 

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It's not new news at all All of us McCain supporters have been saying this all along..
The "shocked" part was totally tongue in cheek sarchasm.:D

Obama is like Clinton in another way too. You know both of them are lying because their mouths are moving.:thumbsup:
 

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HaHa.... I like that one... But see we knew Billary was the puppeteer in the Clinton administration.. Who's the puppeteer in the Obama administration?
 

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They lie because they feel so superior to us.

They are better educated and know what is better for us than we do. This is why they need to take our money so they can spend it on things that take care of even less intelligent people that us!

It's pretty simple, and easy to understand why they think they can lie to us, tell us some truth, and lie again, and we'll just go along bowing down to them.

I'd like to get the people on an island and see who'd survive little old stupid me, or them with their book learning! lol
 

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With "yomoma" as pres. we better hide our guns and keep religion to ourselves also. Him or his unamerican spouse wants us to have either. Lets vote for the lesser of evil, may we all survive the outcome. Just remember an armed society is a polite society.
 

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It is a disgrace to have such low life leaders that lie to us to just win out vote and some of us say such things like, "That one wont be any good in the long run," and yet we still elect said person to be our leader. Then come to find out later, that that one guy was actually speaking the truth about said Leader.....

Piss on politics
 

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They lie because they feel so superior to us.
Actually, they lie because nobody wants to hear the truth...Really, who do honestly believe would get more votes in an election:

-the candidate that says No tax cuts

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-the candidate that says you'll have more money in your pocket if he/she is elected?

We all know it's B.S. but people still vote for the guy who says they'll give the people more.
 

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You don't think another politician will tell you the truth, do you?
 

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Obama campaigned on HOPE and he gave us hope. Hope that we can survive for 4 years until the lying booger is out of office and we can vote someone else in.
I am not a supporter of Obama, but can you honestly tell me that you would rather have Bush still in office telling his lies about how the economy is doing so well when in reality it was in trouble 2 1/2 to 3 years ago.
 

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well still, when they started saying that the economy is doing bad, then it starting REALLY tanking terribly, and if they keep up this doom and gloom, then nobody will spend anything, thus dragging it out, because the way to solve the problem is for CONSUMERS NOT THE GOVERNMENT to buy things and invest because that is the way it is supposed to work, consumers pay money to the company for the product, they get product, company gets the money. When they govt. gives the overspending companies straight out money(for them to keep spending) then it sets off the balance and so re-stabilizing the economy is now even harder!!!:devil:
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again - the very best thing that could have been done for the economy was nothing at all. Period.

Why? Because all of this pumping money into the economy is going to end up doing more harm than good. Dollars are being created from whole cloth, which depresses the value of both the new dollars and the dollars currently in circulation - we'd have to spend the next ten years destroying three or four for every one we print to try to make up for it!

If the money is being created with nothing to back it up, the fluidity of the market is going to push it down even farther. Hell, China and the Pacific Rim are on the verge of calling in the markers they hold on us - which will absolutely cripple our economy! Ouch.

Further, bailing out these companies sets a very dangerous precedent. Sure, some of them were banks - but that's why we have the FDIC. FDIC was extended from $100K/depositor to $250K/depositor from DEC2008 to DEC2010, fine. AIG too big to fail? Let them prove it - if they stay afloat, they're too big to fail. If they don't, they were lying to us all along. Banks collapse? That's what FDIC is for - so at least the depositors are covered.

Execs can stop paying themselves so damned much - I've always had a problem with that (or with anyone else who makes more in a year than most people will ever see in a lifetime.) Reduction of executive pay will herald a reduction in consumer prices (on commodities, essentials, and medical needs,) which will encourage spending and circulation of the dollars we already have - without creating more and depressing the dollar!

I find it amusing to note that one of the strategies we employed against Nazi Germany was the wholesale counterfeiting of Reichsmarks - to the point where you almost needed a wheelbarrowful to buy one loaf of bread. That didn't work overlong, because their economy switched to barter at the local level, and Reichsmarks almost fell out of use.

Part of me thinks that our switching over to barter might become very useful - as it would cripple the monied/privileged few who got us into this mess in the first place (look at politicians - their sole commodity is jawbone. If they could do something else, they'd be off doing it. Jawbone is useless in a barter economy - but skills, talents, and the ability to fabricate useful goods are essential.)
 
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