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I have had a couple close calls lately, and would like to buy something to protect myself if I should need it. Anyone have any experience with pepper spray? Where can you buy it, where can you acquire a permit, etc.?

Is mace really the best brand, or are there other brands that work well?
 

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there are actually ALOT of people immune to pepper spray, I have been sprayed twice (both on accident) and the second time had no effect on me
 

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there are actually ALOT of people immune to pepper spray, I have been sprayed twice (both on accident) and the second time had no effect on me
But it did work the first time?

I don't want to be carrying a gun around or anything, I just would feel more comfortable knowing I had something to defend myself if necessary. I work retail plus go to college; there are plenty of weirdos I encounter on a day to day basis.
 

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adding to the PP spray, I suggest you take some self defense classes, you will always have that knowledge with you , you might also check on a tazzer gun, or electric shock gun, something like that.

I have never been PP sprayed, but I have been tazzerd , on a BoyScout badge that we were doing, we had a cop come buy and well show us all types of weapons they use, and how they were trained to used them, and he ask for people that wanted to try this, and me and three more guys try ed it and I was the smallest, and it drop me down to the ground for a while, and the biggest one , he was about 6ft, 210lbs and it dropped him to his knees, and well to all it made us have no control of our body for the time stung...
 

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Care to explain the close calls?


You know there's a new stun-gun out there for us. I think it's been released, not totally sure. That's an option. There's also the tried and true weapon that all women should have...and do have: THE KNEE. Us men fear THE KNEE. When forced upon the perfect spot, your attacker or "weirdo" will be on the ground instantly.

Here's an example of how effective it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd7CFD5qaW8

It's highly recommended not to practice this on a another man but it's ok to try it on Kyle. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj0PFpjptJE



Stun Gun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-t_a-DwxY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evUbyczkTic&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INOPyRiW45k&feature=related


Hope that Helps !
 

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Amy my we all dropped like on the last vid, but not so fast, bc we hand people spotting/holding us by the arms and it was a longer shot,,, it was about a 5 sec shot, It felt like it was for ever doo...
 

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I've been downwind of pepper spray on one occasion, and it SUCKED. Couldn't breathe, couldn't taste, eyes watering, nose/throat burning. It was not fun. The downside to that I think, is if you're being attacked and the attacker's no more than arm's length away, YOU will catch some of the ill effects of the pepper spray as well, which could hinder your chances of getting up and running away. A taser might be a better option, or the pepper spray that comes in gel form and doesn't spread as quickly.
 

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just carry kyle in your purse
 

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Lol sure Mudd I can explain.

Last night I was leaving from work at 6, so I went into the back to clock out. This guy was right outside the "employee only" entrance as I came back out onto the sales floor, and said, "Hey Amy!!". I wasn't wearing my nametag, and I had never seen him before. It was a slow night, so I knew he didn't pass through my register or anything. I just got an icky vibe.

Another employee was walking out the same time I was and looked at me strangely, asked me if I knew him. I said I had never seen him before, and she told me that I should go tell a manager what happened. I was glad to know it wasn't just me who thought something wasn't quite right.

As I was walking out through the store, every time I looked back, he was right behind me. I went to tell a manager what was going on, and they didn't want me to leave until I had someone walk me to my car. Luckily, Kyle happened to be there as I was leaving, so I had him to walk me out. Maybe the guy just remembered me from another day or something and I was just being paranoid, but I really didn't have a good feeling about the situation.


Another case was a few nights ago, I had some guys a bit older than me run through my line with several cases of beer. They kept trying to get me to come to their house to drink it with them, despite me being pretty adamant that I wasn't interested. I get hit on alot by guys like that, but what was worrying me was that they kept saying that they could wait in the parking lot until my shift was over, and could give me a ride. Also, they kept coming back.



Like I said, maybe I am just being paranoid. I sincerely hope that I am, but there are alot of whackos out there and I would feel much better knowing that I can defend myself if necessary.

Oh yeah-and I agree that self-defense classes are great. I took some in high school, and still practice some of the things they taught us (i.e. always walk with your keys in your hand, if someone tries attacking you, it hurts much worse to be punched with keys laced through one's fingers than with just bare knuckles). I think they are great for anyone. Guys, you should definitely encourage your wives/girlfriends to take some if they haven't before. You can't be too old, either-my 75 year old, 100 pound grandmother took some a couple years back and loved them!
 

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Amy, there's nothing wrong with being paranoid. Much of self-defense or personal security centres around mindset - you're working toward the flipside of "Look like food, and you will be eaten."

OC spray (pepper spray) tends to be of limited utility - there are people like me who could probably get more use out of the stuff spraying it on a burrito for lunch than if you were spray it in my face. Just the way things work - I happen to like very spicy food (my grandfather spend the best part of 30 years trying to find something "too hot" for me to eat. Found a few things too hot for him to eat, but nothing I didn't enjoy...)

As far as self-defense techniques, the simple things work best. I've been teaching my wife (5'2", bad knees) a mix of judo, aikido, and dragon style kung fu, with some Armed Forces combatives thrown in - but the best moves I've shown her are the ones that are borne of pure reflex. How good is she? I'm 6'3", 265#, and she can toss me around the yard during a practise session (and I don't let her - she just does. She's learned well...)

In a physical altercation, you do have a certain advantage being female. I could break a man's knee, and I'd get sent up for Assault with Intent and Malicious Wounding - you'd get self-defense. So:

Knee to the groin
Knee to the meat of the thigh (both of these should be delivered sharply. Both are effective.)
Snap-kick to the knee. If from behind, it will force it to bend. If delivered to the side, the knee may hinge in a new direction (and it will hurt all to be-damned.) If from the front, it may make the knee hinge backwards.
Shin scrape/foot stomp. Most effective if you are grabbed from behind - forcibly drag the side of your foot down the front of your attacker's shin, and drive it smartly into the top of the foot. The shin scrape will cause a great deal of pain, and the stomp will likely fracture metatarsals and make it difficult to stand.
He won't take his hands off of you? Don't try to remove the hand - just grab the last two fingers and try to make the fingernails touch the back of the hand/wrist. If he doesn't let go, you'll end up breaking the fingers - which will make 97/100 people let go (most people don't have that sort of discipline - those that do, aren't likely to be pulling street grabs just for fun.)

Once upon a time, I "ran deposits" for a family store. In a college town. Next to a bar. My favourite at the time looked like a leather sock - it was a double-stitched long bag with thirty dollars' worth of loose quarters in it. It was a "legal sap" - quarters can be explained away as laundry change, automat change, ... Had to use it once - the effect was most gratifying, and I understand the guy woke up in Holding two hours later with a very bad headache.

Do Not Panic - there should always be a part of your brain "wargaming" - if this, then that. I know a part of mine always is - and it's saved me on occasion. It seems difficult at first, but once you get used to it, it will be automatic. Having a plan - even a half-formed one - when the flag goes up will put you ahead of the game.

And, don't be afraid to be paranoid (doesn't that sound odd?) Some part of you should always be worried in this day and age, and it's good to expect an attack. It's when the paranoia takes over your life that you are having trouble, but even paranoids have enemies.

"Paranoia - the unreasoned feeling that people are out to get you.
"Depression - finding out that you're right."
 

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I have had a couple close calls lately, and would like to buy something to protect myself if I should need it. Anyone have any experience with pepper spray? Where can you buy it, where can you acquire a permit, etc.?

Is mace really the best brand, or are there other brands that work well?
http://www.officerstore.com/store/category.cfm/cid_987_personal_defense/

I believe this is what you are looking for Amy.I'd look at Kimber LifeAct Guardian Angel or ASP system because the both are small and easy to keep out of site but both have a powerful punch.
 

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Thanks for all the help everyone. I think I'm going to go in to my local police station and check if there are any permits I need or anything to carry either pepper spray or a taser.
 

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My girlfriend at the time (now my wife) used to work a retail store and didn't get out till 10:00 at night. She had similar things happen to her when leaving out the back door and luckily nothing ever happened. We did however go down to the local Army/Navy Store and pick up a can of Pepper Spary. Now granted she keeps it in the bottom of her over-filled purse (now sure how effective that would be), it still gave her a little more peace of mind.

I would prefer someting more like the Tazer in the vid above. Someting small and simple yet very effective. Sorry, don't have any "experience" with either, just my preferences....HTH. :)

BTW, do you really have to have a permit down there in Cali. for just Pepper Spray?! Well, then again it IS Cali. as I live in Oregon and just carry a gun.....:p
 

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I just went to our PD and they said that it is not required to have a permit to carry pepper spray, so good news there. They said you can buy it at most sporting goods stores, so I probably will do that sometime over the Thanksgiving break.
 

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I just went to our PD and they said that it is not required to have a permit to carry pepper spray, so good news there. They said you can buy it at most sporting goods stores, so I probably will do that sometime over the Thanksgiving break.
Did you ask about tasers? Permits required for that?
 

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My wife took kickboxing years ago. And its still with her today. I used to a be a wrestler. And we go at it all the time for fun and Ill tell you she can kick my a$$ pretty good. I can hold her down but when she gets free im done for. I think kick boxing it better that any karate or anything of that sort. I would go with the taser if possible. I have been sprayed with pp spray and tasered with 5 different tasers. I think the taser is much more effective. The worst taser I ever got is those new taser guns the have out for the PD. those hurt and they can get up up to ten feet away with them. But a hand held is the best option. Just done taser the hand he grabs you with. it will get you too.
 

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OK i might have missed something because i just skimmed through here, but i have a vast knowledge on the subject as i am a certified trainer in mace OC, ASP tactical baton, ASP handcuffing, and Taser. I highly recommend self defense classes to every woman everywhere there are some shitty people out there! I also recommend a Taser, but the range from $350 to $999. A "stun gun" you have to be up close and personal to use them a Taser and be used from 20 feet away. Now pepper spray is a joke if you are going to get a spray you need a mase (a type of spray not a brand). mase is made from Oleoresin Capsicum which is very hot stuff! I would say to get Fox brand 5.3 stream. 5.3 stands for the SHU (Scoville Heat Unit) im millions, if you look up SHU you will see how hot 5.3 million is! here is a link of a online place to get Fox... http://galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=SD112&cat=3031 if a Taser better suites PM me and ill see if I can set you up with one
 

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hey amy just go get yourself a stun gun i got shocked by a friend once when a girlfriend of ours got it and wanted to know what it would do to a guy. trust me you hit someone with that and they willl think twice about screwing with you.
 
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